In a recent interview on the Steal to Secession podcast, Texas Nationalist Movement (TNM) President Daniel Miller provided detailed insights into TNM’s strategies for advancing Texas toward independence. He discussed the grassroots reorganization into County Groups, the legal standing of secession, and the need for long-term commitment from Texans. Throughout the conversation, Miller emphasized the practical path forward for achieving Texas sovereignty.
Grassroots Reorganization: Strengthening County Groups
Miller explained TNM’s ongoing effort to restructure its grassroots organization, focusing on building County Groups. This reorganization is aimed at decentralizing the movement, empowering local leadership, and preparing Texas for self-governance at all levels.
Miller highlighted the importance of efficiency in organizing and why the county-level structure is critical for the movement:
“We will periodically go through revamps to our field structure, simply because that’s what the political circumstances call for. And as we are organizing throughout Texas, it’s important for us to be very efficient in our resources, right? Because… we have to accomplish twice as many things with half as many resources as the opposition. So we have to be super, super efficient.”
He elaborated on why County Groups make sense for political and organizational efforts in Texas:
“The county is in fact the building block for organizational efforts politically here in Texas. If anyone has ever looked at the maps here in Texas, the electoral maps, there is no sort of reconciliation between the county boundaries, the House District boundaries, and the Senate District boundaries… The one thing about counties is those boundaries don’t change.”
Miller noted that the reorganization was about much more than just efficiency—it’s about preparing Texans for self-governance once independence is achieved:
“By doing this, you’re preparing them to take back more control of their governance once independence is fully achieved so that they can keep power as local as possible.”
Challenging the Misinterpretation of Texas v. White
A significant portion of the interview dealt with the legal standing of Texas’ right to secede, specifically addressing the 1869 Supreme Court decision in Texas v. White. Critics often cite this case as a roadblock to secession, but Miller firmly rejected that notion.
“Texas v. White will never hold water. I mean, they like to draw— the opposition loves to drop Texas v. White like a little toddler who, you know, pees on the toilet for the first time. They throw Texas v. White out there like they’ve made some accomplishment. It’s like, guys, you’ve obviously never read it, and second, you’ve never had to defend it because it’s indefensible.”
Miller argued that the 10th Amendment grants states the authority to govern themselves and that the right to withdraw from the Union is a political decision, not a judicial one:
“Any powers not granted to the federal government are prohibited to the states or reserved to the states. And the people, Article 1, Section 10 of the U.S. Constitution lists everything that states are prohibited from doing. Withdrawing is not in that list. So ultimately, what that process looks like falls on the states.”
The Long Road to Independence
Miller was candid about the time and effort required to achieve Texas independence, dismissing the idea that it could happen quickly. He expressed concerns that many supporters expect rapid results, which can undermine the movement’s long-term goals:
“The number one impediment to getting a state independent is the people who think it’s a quick process… When you have something that takes time, you have people that jump in, they have a lot of passion, they expect it’s gonna be done within six months… and then they go back to bass fishing or hunting or whatever it is they’re doing. And then when it doesn’t happen… they lose steam.”
Miller stressed that building a self-governing nation is not a short-term task, but a process that requires dedication:
“This ain’t microwave popcorn. This is building a self-governing, independent nation, and first getting your independence so you can do so. It takes time.”
Preparing for Legislative Action
Looking ahead, Miller spoke about the upcoming 2024 legislative session, where TNM will push forward with the Texit referendum. The groundwork has been laid, and support is building among legislators:
“We’ve already got a cadre of legislators that have pledged to file the legislation. So you can anticipate probably mid-November the announcement that the legislation has been pre-filed.”
Miller also highlighted TNM’s ongoing efforts to educate and mobilize Texans in preparation for a vote on independence. The movement’s County Groups are key to building the capacity needed to win the vote:
“All of these things work… This is a massive operation, but we have a massive task ahead of us, and it’s all about building that capacity to help us get and win a vote on Texas independence.”
A Tipping Point for Texas Independence
Throughout the interview, Miller emphasized that Texas is approaching a tipping point for independence. Years of groundwork are now paying off, and support for Texit is stronger than ever. However, Miller stressed that achieving independence requires the active participation of all supporters:
“We’re not a campaign—we’re an organization that campaigns. Texas nationalism is not a hobby. It’s a worldview… You’re a Texas nationalist when you begin to look at the news very differently, and start looking at things and going, ‘Is what I’m seeing putting me one day closer to Texas independence?'”
Miller closed the interview with a powerful call to action:
“If you don’t take the steps to write the future, someone else is perfectly willing to write your future for you.”
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